Wednesday, August 25, 2010

election 2010 :: roundup

Well exciting times, just a brief summary of my thoughts::


-The sex party polled better than family first! (What does this say?)
-A hung parliament, no political party gets to push their legislation down our throats without proper review.
-Flinders: for the locals Greg Hunt gave young Francis Ventura a flogging. The Greens like most seats increased their percentage at the expencsive of Labor
-Broadband is still an issue with the independents who hold the balance of power. There is hope for an NBN.
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Jesus the perfect way

Back in my evangelical days I was always uncomfortable with the position that Jesus was the only way to God. Sure their are some get out clauses for people who never hear the Gospel but ultimately a narrow position.
I found this paragraph in 'The Meaning of Jesus' by Marcus Borg extremely helpful: referring to exclusive passages of scripture::

"...whatever these passages may have meant in their first century contexts, they need not be understood to mean that Jesus (or Christianity) is the only way of salvation. Instead , we might understand them (and similar Christian statements about Jesus being "The only way") as reflecting the joy of having found one's salvation through Jesus, and the intensity of Christian devotion to Jesus. They should be understood as exclamations, not doctrines, and as "the poetry of devotion and the hyperbole of the heart" So decisive need not mean "only"
But the claim does mean that for us, as Christians, Jesus is the decisive revelation of God, and of what a life full of God is like. Indeed I see this as the defining characteristic that makes us Christian rather than something else. If we found the decisive revelation of God in the Torah or Koran, then we would be Jews or Muslims..."


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Saturday, August 21, 2010

House Building ::21

Good news we have a date to move into the new house. Next Friday the 27th Yeah!!!

Floor boards are now in and polished and just the carpet and a bit of touch up painting to go.



Mirboo fencing now up at the sides of the house. The Children now will not escape.


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Friday, August 20, 2010

Why go down a liberal track?

I have decided that there are aspects in my faith that I call 'schizophrenic'. There are times I can affirm an evangelical theologians and other times I can affirm liberal theologians. While strangely I don't feel as if my faith waivers, only maybe the 'literal' aspect of the stories but that is about it.

I've writen this before but I really afirm Jesus two commandments. Mathew 22:36-39

 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c]
Having a liberal persuasion you can affirm both these two commandments with more freedom.
For me their is an intellectual aspect which affirms the searching deeper for God, even if this takes you to place which questions aspects of your belief and values. This is seen in the first command.
The second command makes it easier to love the gay couple that moved in next door.
The evangelical, fundamental position has clauses with Jesus Great commandment usually associated with objections from the Old Testament and Paul.  These clauses usually doesn't account for culture, time, place or a Christological position (Eg Jesus didn't comment).

For me Churches which accept the  liberal position, there is a wide breadth of position in which I can have my schizophrenic positions yet still feel safe. Its homely position.
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Election 2010:: Flinders a no brainer

If you are a swinging voter then I think Labor party has made the choice easiser for you to choose in Flinders. Especially if you believe that the candidate should represent you.

Its very hard for me to vote in the house of 'representatives' someone who puts their address down as in 'Southbank' 
Poor Francis, the Labor Party bunny.

Anyway I think Greg Hunt deserves to win in Flinders, he's worked hard, made connections in local community groups. Answered my emails. He's worked hard.

Thank goodness their is a Senate though.
Their is no way I feel comfortable with Tony Abbott. One of the most conservative politicians in the parliament. I don't mind moderate left or right, but Tony is way over on the right. I've watch this prodigy of Howard's for a long time. He's got the potential to be Australia's answer to George W Bush.

The Greens are the only way in the Senate to 'Keep the bastards honest', to flog an old Democrat's saying.




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Election 2010:: Nick Cave PM

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From The Age today regarding Nick Cave as PM::

Alternative rocker Nick Cave has been voted the musician Australians would most like to see installed as prime minister.
The singer behind the bands Grinderman and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds fought off competition from Powderfinger's Bernard Fanning and John Butler in the MySpace poll.
On hearing the news, Cave joked: "My first political act will be to introduce legislation forcing all Australians to lower their expectations."
 Its a good first political act! Though I suspect he know the problems of prophets becoming leaders. You just have to look at poor Peter Garret.
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Thursday, August 19, 2010

Election 2010:: leaflets

It seems that labor has forgoten us in Flinders::

no leaflets at all from labor in Cowes
1 leaflets from 'The other' Bob Brown, Greens
4 leaflets from Liberal Greg Hunt
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Institutional Church and the Vineyard

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Cutting edge had an interesting and positive article in their cutting edge summer 2010, on the institution of the 'Church'

Alan Hirsch wrote on his facebook "I am somewhat taken aback by this coming as it does from within the Vineyard *movement*. It sounds more like a Catholic or Anglo-Catholic take on ecclesiology."

I've read what Bert Wagner wrote and I'm a bit uncomfortable about his take on institutions. For example 'marriage' been an institution. I actually like the Catholic idea of it been a 'sacrament', a mode of God's grace.

Never the less, the Vineyard in the States is a denomination. (I'm not sure that the Australian Vineyard has the structure to say this). I'm comfortable about the 'institution' language and believe that God can work though this with it's stability and accountability; you just need some rebels around the edges.
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Election 2010:: Broadband policy

Steven Conroy and Tony Smith both debated the broadband policy yesterday. The Transcript can be seen on the ABC.

After reading it all I can write is that I feel sorry for Tony Smith. He's trying to sell a lemon why Conroy has got the juicy juicy mango. Obviously the only thing Smith can say is that it is cheaper.

I got my hands on the Coalitions broadband policy (Thanks to Greg Hunt who got back me, three cheers!) 
My main concern is that I don't actually know how this Coalition policy will affect me.
While in the Labours policy Bass has already been identified and will be one of the first to get in Victoria to get the NBN.

I'm actually not all that concerned by the money. Sometimes I believe the government needs to invest where the private sector wont. I also believe that the government when it get around to selling it will make a handsome profit.

The other thing is that I actually believe that it will benefit Australia having this infrastructure.
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010

election 2010 :: Tony Abbot IS right

Considering my annoyance with liberal broadband policy I couldn't resist this::

Taken from the ALP site "Tony IS right": Quite a few funny images and ideas!
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The Historial Jesus

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Some thoughts from "The meaning of Jesus, two visions" by Marcus Borg and NT Wright.

One of the key points of difference between liberal and evangelical scholars is what you can take as 'literal'. There are, like most things degrees or even aspects in which the Bible and related stories can be taken as literal.

Marcus Borg makes the point that we really don't know a lot about Jesus. What we do know of him comes from writing that occurs decades after his death. That the writing where done by his followers after his death. Where in their writing crept connections with the Telmuld and other Jewish literatuere. That during the passing on orally of the stories for decades  the legend of Jesus increases by his followers. You can see this progression chronologically with Mark and the Gospels of Mathew and Luke then John.

For me it makes seems to make scene, I can actually see what he is talking about. Chinese whispers

The other option put forward by NT Wright is that the oral tradition is incredibly accurate. That the gap between Jesus death and the writing of the Gospels is nothing to worry about. Especially in a Jewish context.
Once a story has taken hold of people's minds and imaginations, it is told again and again with minimal alteration.

For me either position can be ok, ultimately a story does not need to be literal for it to contain truth! Even fundamentalists use illustration in their preaching with stories and illustrations (not in the Bible) which may not be literal but bring out the truth of the Bible.
 
Just to let you know I've done a review of the book which can be found on hubpages here.
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MTR

I copped my first ear full of MTR the other day. I could instantly understand why they only have an average listener base of 8000 people.  (Close to the lowest you can go)

I thought that Steve Price was a pretty intelligent fellow I'm surprised he didn't think this through, but here are a few reasons they are languishing::
::Happy to promoted as right wing channel, automatically half their listner base has gone
::Jason Ackermanis, controversial yes, respected no.
::Steve Vizard, I'm sure the older talk back audience would all remember Telstra and insider trading.
::Sam Newman, His oozing snide cynicism is overpowering, he needs to stick to footy.

While I was listening the only adds I heard where for voting for "Family Fist", this in itself revealed they are in trouble.

I give them six more months.
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Sunday, August 15, 2010

Degrees of belief

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This is one of my favourite quotes. From the God delusion by Richard Dawkins::
”There is something distinctly odd about the argument, however. Believing is not something you can decide to do as a matter of policy. At least, it is not something you can decide to do as an act of will. I can decide to go to church and I can decide to recite the Nicene Creed, and I can decide to swear on a stack of bible that I believe every word inside them. But none can make me actually believe it if I don’t. Pascal’s Wager could only ever be an argument for feigning belief in God. And the God that you claim to believe in had better not be of the omniscient kind or he’d see through the deception. The ludicrous idea that believing is something you can decide to do is deliciously mocked by Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency, where we meet the roboti Electic Monk, a labour-saving device that you buy ‘to do your believing for you. The de luxe moel is advertised as ‘Capable of believing thingsthey wouldn’t believe in Salt Lake City’.

It gives me an understanding why evangelism doesn't work. Some people will hear the Gosple and it just washes over them. They may understand the concepts but its something in the heart that dosn't click. They arn't been difficult, just honest.

One of the things through reading of Marcus Borg and looking seriously at textual criticism as well as looking deeper into the 'Quest for the historical Jesus" is that there are cross roads through out your walk where you have to make decisions. Did this really happen? It is for me a case of intellectual honesty. It comes back to the above quote. There are some things that you belive and can never be taken away and other well you just have to let them slide.



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Saturday, August 14, 2010

Election 2010 :: Greg Hunt, down....



I took this picture on the corner of Church St and Thompson Avenue in Cowes. The sign is a picture of Greg Hunt the local liberal representative, fallen down with a bit of excrement on it (Bottom left).

It now blends in well with the empty block of land, fallen, wrecked: that block has been an eye sore for years.

When I first saw it I wondered how long it would be standing, considering it's prominence.

Not that long.

By the way no reply to my email from Greg...

Election 2010: Family First branding

Reading Mark Connor's blog there was an interesting comment by Brent who put forward that 'Family First' did not represent Australian families rather 'Right wing Christians'

- the Bible says to be wary of half truths - like calling Family First "a party with a primary focus on looking out for families".
It is still a party focussed on "right wing Christian" values - not "Australian Family" values.
In Australia, based on 2006 ABS statistics, there are 5,219,165 families - meaning the majority of Australians live in some kind of family community.
So polling of what families want should [generally] reflect what Australians want - you should never see a case where the vast majority of Australians disagree with what "families" want.
If you do see this, you see a party with another agenda.
On abortion - polling shows that the vast majority of Australians (families included) support abortion rights. Family First opposes abortion of all forms. (Polling in support of Family First's policy is as little as 7%!)
On mandatory internet filtering - despite all polling showing the majority of Australians do not support support a filter, plus experts proving that it will not [as Family First claims] improve "child protection" (due to the fact that it will be impossible to effectively and accurately manage censorship of over 10 BILLION webpages and 234 million websites, and the filter will not affect Usenet, BitTorrents, IRC etc)....

...Still, Family First still supports an infeasible, unpopular, unmanageable, expensive (tens-of-millions of dollars) policy.
There are other examples (e.g. Climate Change), but you see my point: Family First is still, fundamentally, a political party representing the Christian "Right" - not putting families first.
It would be nice to have a party supporting family values (one with wider appeal) - but we're still looking at a Christian party in sheep's clothing.
 I think he is right. The majority of policies do not represent the average Australian family. Rather a Christian, Pentecostal-Fundamentalist understanding of family values.

The question for me then is :: Is the name "Family First" misleading and really just a branding ploy? (Pentecostal church love branding "Hillsong, Careforce etc etc) Would it be more honest just to call it "Christian Party" or "Christian Values Party". I also find the "Family" in the name discriminatory. I have just as many friends inside and outside the  Church that are single. How are they represented?

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Friday, August 13, 2010

house building :: 20

Getting close now, it is definitely the longest period of the whole process.

Pump and pipes attached to water tank.

fly screens added

Posts added for the front fence

gas attached

So only the wooden floor to go down, then polished, the carpet and lastly the split system. Two weeks max.

Apple

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The Age Green Guide had a great review on smart phones this Thursday (August 12th p22), by Adam Turner. He summed up beautifully why I don't want to go down the Apple route ::


Apple has a long history of treating iPhone application developers with disdain and iPhone owners with contempt. iPhone  applications mysteriously disappear from the online app store when they clash with Apple's business model or with those of Apple's business partners....
Apple head honcho Steve Jobs is famed for his arrogance when dealing with customer complaints. When details first emerged of the iPhone 4's reception issues Job's flippant response was "don't hold it that way". He eventually conceded the reception problem was a serious issue and Apple now offers a few case to iPhone 4 owners, which alleviates the problem.

And why I prefer Android::

Android's flexibility is its strength. Such flexibility lets phone makers build a variety of devices to meet different needs, while it also lets users run applications they want and customise the phone as they see fit. It's a stark contrast to Apple's one-size-fits approach. Now Android is reaching a critical mass, Apple's heavy-handed approach to dealing with developers and customers could work in Android's favour.
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Thursday, August 12, 2010

Election 2010:: An email to Mr Hunt

I sent off an email to Mr Greg Hunt our sitting member for Flinders. Its pretty self explanatory::

Hey Greg,

I don't know if you have read this but this, came from the "Bass Coast", "Coastal winter/spring" from our Council. Page 10.

There has been much talk lately about the Federal Governments National Broadband Network rollout.
Bass Coast was identified as one of six locations Australia wide to receive the first installation of fibre-optic cable under the Regional Backbone Blackspots Program.
A company called Nextgen won the national tender and in conjunction with Visonstream plan to lay the cable in the South-West Gippsland section in the second half of 2010. Most of the cable will be attached to the existing power pole infrastructure.
Cable is currently being laid by a different company along the desalination pipeline route. When joined with the Nextgen cable, this will create a loop throughout south-west Gippsland
A host of other companies called third-party providers, mainly internet service providers (ISPs) and telcos, will sign up individual residential and commercial customers....

Just wondering will these plans be scrapped with the a Coalition government?
Sorry to be a pain on this but I couldn't actually understand how with the Coalitions Communications policy release how it would affect us in Cowes.

All the best

Scott

I'm struggling to believe that the Coalitions Broadband policy is going to work in the country. The main reason is because I really don't see telco's investing in fixed line in the country. Telstra is not making money from it and I doubt they will want to invest in this area. 
The other reason is I dont think the Coalition have explained how in the country area's it will be bring us up to par with our city counter parts. Price, speed and data limits for any population greater than 5000 people in the regionals  should be competitive as it is in the City. (I just want to be on an equal par with our City counterparts. I don't care about who's policy is the fastest etc etc)
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Telstra's share price drop

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Telstra's posted its profit which was not what the market expected and as a result share price drop.

The main cause of worry for share owners is the drop in fixed line. As reported from the ABC ::

Telstra's chief executive David Thodey says the carrier's main problem is its failure to retain customers when they move from fixed-line to mobile services.
He says now is a transitional time for the company, during which it will embark on a new suite of strategies to stop the company from losing more market share.
"Today the greatest asset that Telstra has is our customer base, and we have been losing too many customers and we cannot allow it, in fact I am not going to allow it to continue," he said.
He says that might mean sacrificing some profits in the short-term.
"Do we maximise short-term cash returns, by reducing costs and losing market share, or do we bite the bullet and invest for longer-term growth?" Mr Thodey asked rhetorically.
Some good and bad news I think for consumers.
The good news and I think we are already seeing this is Telstra is going to be more competitive.
The bad news especially if the Coalition gets in. Telstra sees no profit in investing in infrastructure especially fixed line. Translated: no faster broadband in  country areas.
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Wednesday, August 11, 2010

Election 2010 :: Abbott out of puff?



Has Tony Abbot run our of puff? Personally there have been quite a few negatives for the Coalition this week.

The first was the actual Coalitions 'Election launch'. The whole thing seemed to be going back to the 'Good old days' with John Howard given a huge prominence. There seemed to be no vision, no really policy that was innovative.

The second was the communications launch. This one I was really holding my breath on. What I judge this one on is the Crappy service we get on Phillip Island.

Mobile broadband = Crap, as soon as the weekend comes or public holidays the speed goes to a crawl
Fixed line = Telstra. Telstra has the monopoly, no choice. Telstra gets my money for line rental no matter what.

As far as I could understand this is not going to change under the Coalition. That even if it does they have done a poor job explaining it to me how it will.

While the Labor party their is hope with the National broad band. The important thing is I can understand how it will happen.
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Election 2010:: Christian responces

Two interesting Christian responces to the Election. 
' labelled the Greens "anti-Christian" and "sweet-camouflaged poison". Cardinal Pell also claimed the Greens policies are expensive and will not help poor people.'
It is strange that the Pell actually gave an opinion usually mainstream churches are neutral.  If they do have an opinion it is usually to do with social justice or morality. Pell is commenting more on funding of policy than the policy itself.


'...our approach as a church at CityLife is to be politically neutral, in that we don't tell people who or what party to vote for. We encourage prayerful and diligent research, so that followers of Christ make intelligent use of their privilege as an Australian citizen to vote for those who will govern us. So, never have I said and never will say, "Vote for Julia Gillard" ... or anyone else for that matter.

I think Mark has hit upon the Christian position. It's a shame about Pell, he has in his writing decreased the standing of the Catholic Church.


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Saturday, August 7, 2010

same sex marraige

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Interesting ruling in the US state of Califorina  as posted from the ABC::

Judge Vaughn Walker in San Francisco has ruled that banning gays and lesbians from tying the knot is discriminatory and violates the US constitution.
Only five states and Washington DC currently allow same-sex marriage.
One of the plaintiffs, Jeff Zarrillo, says the United States is supposed to be about equality.
"Well this decision today brings Paul and I and so many others like us closer to that equality too," he said.
I can see Australia going down this path. I'm not really that hassled really. 'Civil Union' and a 'Defacto' relationship has almost the same legal implications as marriage except marriage is for a 'man' and woman'. So really it is just about definition and language. Maybe some implaction down the track are:
:: Marriage is only a 'Christian' or some other religion which becomes more and more irrelevant to the rest of western culture.
::Unknowingly the Culture uses the language of 'marriage' for 'Civil Union' making the older definition of 'man and woman' marriage irrelevant.
:: Western culture including Australia priorities legal issues around equality and anti-discrimination as such, I see marriage between same sex partners as inevitable and probably within my lifetime.

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Friday, August 6, 2010

Election 2010:: Family First's candidate in Flinders

Antony Greens blog from on the ABC has a bit more information about candidates from the electorate in Flinders.

Its good to see that Family First's candidate is a local, with experience in local government as well as environmental issues in the community.

Smith was raised on the Mornington Peninsula and joined the Victoria Police Force in 1989. During his ten years of service he was stationed in the local area and achieved the rank of Senior Constable. A Tyabb resident, Smith has served as a Counciloor on Mornington Peninsula Shire for the past eight years and works as supervisor in the Security Industry and as a Project Manager for Community Development Projects. He also works casually in the Film and Television Industry and is involved in local environment groups.

After a bit of snooping around I also found that Mr Smith attended an opening of a Buddist centre in the capacity of a councillor.

We were also very happy to be joined by Councillor Reade Smith (Mt Eliza Shire) 
A bit of a suprise considering family first is associated with been a 'Christian Party' whose roots are Pentecostal/Fundementalist.
Good on him. My respect for him has gone up a notch. 

Ann Rice and what most Christians want to do.

I've never read any books by Ann Rice but recently on her facebook page she put up the following:



For those who care, and I understand if you don't: Today I quit being a Christian. I'm out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being "Christian" or to being part of Christianity. It's simply impossible for me to "belong" to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I've tried. I've failed. I'm an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.


My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me. But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been, or might become.


Its something that a lot of Christians would like to do. Walk away from the dogma and just follow Christ.
I don't think you can do it. You need to be sharpened and cared for, share stories. The only place I know is the Church, and within some home group/cell/house church.


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Thursday, August 5, 2010

Election 2010 :: Labor in Flinders; Oh dear....

From the Frankston Independent::

Mr Gagliano-Ventura, 21, who lists his address as Southbank, appeared to struggle when asked what he thought were the important issues for Flinders electorate.
He said the Hastings pier obviously needed some work, at which point Cr Reade Smith, who is running for Family First, pointed out the pier was being renovated by Parks Victoria.
Mr Gagliano-Ventura said there was "a footpath in Rye" that he would lobby to have built, although he could not say where in Rye it was. He said he had been involved in politics since he was a toddler, going to meetings with his mother, a single parent.

I can't help but think 'Francis' our Labor candidate has been set up. Not living in the electorate, not knowing local issues. Its a real shame. You can't help think that the Labor party couldn't give a stuff in Flinders.   
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Conversion

"Conversion":: Its can be a great word and terrible. In my experience most of the conversion is from an 'Australian' Culture to the 'Church' culture. That people are not saved from their situation by Jesus but the Church culture which they are brought into.

"Saved" Again we have to ask what are we saving people from?

Types of conversion::

The fragile::

I can remember again a long conversation I had with a atheist work college who made the point that Christianity only converted those who where at emotional breaking point though their situations be it family breakdown, financial, addictions what ever. When people are in this situation they usually grab at anything.

Now days their are a lot more options (Counselling, anti-depressants etc) than just the Church for these situations. People usually go for the church when all of the options have been used up.

intellectual::

Occasionally you see it. A person has an intellectual curiosity which is a burning passion. They check out  a lot of faiths or through a process of deduction and intellect come to faith.
I've seen it once or twice. Yet never to the extent of evangelical/fundamental faith. Usually their are degrees. From an atheist to a belief in God. Or from an Atheist to a follower of Jesus without the miraculous.
'

Just know::

I'd put myself in this category. Interestingly the fragile and intellectual conversion if genuine will eventually come to the place of 'just know'. As much as you don't want to believe you can't help yourself.

 

Wednesday, August 4, 2010

Tabor on the move

I was interested and a bit saddned to learn that Tabor where I did my theological education is on the move. From the media release ::

The Tabor College Victoria Board is delighted to announce that from January 2011, Tabor College Victoria will co-locate at the Churches of Christ Theological College (CCTC) campus on Jacksons Road Mulgrave.  This means that the two colleges will provide parallel operations on the one site.  This new arrangement does not change the programs of CCTC or Tabor College Victoria. 

Ahh so many memories...

Sign Posts

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On Sunday I got to a workshop called "Sigposts", it was run by Bessie Peteria from Oikos and was sponsored by Youth for Christ Oikos Australia and the Well.

Okios is a resource and support for 'home church' and 'Missional groups'.

I think if you like Neal Cole, Frank Viola this is the group in Australia you should be linking into.

Just a few brief notes which I took::

:: Home Church
= Kingdom of God focused
= Get back to what Jesus said and did.
= Aquila and Prescila would have said "We are the Church" not point to a building.
= Shape is a network not hierarchical.
= Covering => It is Jesus not the Church
= Aim house Church "To encourage one another"
= Criticisms => worship, teaching => aim is to be 'learning' in the home church.


It was a good few hours, Bessie is a pretty encouraging person.


If I was a full on evangelical then I'd say this is the 'Biblical' way to travel.  But is it the answer to a Godless country. I'd say no; that no Church/Denomination/System has the answer. I really don't believe that the Church understands our culture.

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Sunday, August 1, 2010

House building :: 19



Some work outside a concrete base for the water tank.

Tiling completed last week. Most probably the wooden floor to be done this week.

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Warming....


A report from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association has concluded that the world is warming. From the ABC::

"Each of the last three decades has been substantially warmer than the decade before it," he said.

"On a decade scale, that is very clear. The 1980s was the warmest decade on record as of December 31, 1989, but every single year in the 90s was warmer than that decade's average temperature."

Peter Thorne, of the Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites, says the scientists were not swayed by the debate over climate data and whether it had previously been manipulated.

"What this data is doing is screaming that the world is warming, and that cannot be driven by any single individual or even a small set of groups, because the evidence is there to see - there are lots of groups doing this stuff," Mr Thorne said.

The scientists say the warming is due to greenhouse gases and while there were signs of human fingerprints, the report was not designed to attribute blame.






I think all Australians have in recent years have felt the effects of extreme weather, which I believe is connected with  green house gasses. Future generations will depend on what action we take now...

So far both Liberal and Labor political parties in the 2010 election, have been a joke with their sence of urgency with the situation at hand.


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